They have Earth, we will have heaven !!

I always had some sensitivity to over painting subjects with Religion, I just freeze when I’m debating an achievement or a failure and someone pops up and refers them to the religious status of their administrators and when I pose my always controversial debate question of is religion a mean or an end, My friends hesitate, pause, and sometimes try to avoid answering.

I don’t believe that religion gives individuals or other matters privileges above others (on Earth that is) nor that a successful nation is necessarily the religious one and a failed nation is the irreligious one, on the contrary to that, as per Psychology Today’s article Why Atheism is growing faster that religion, as the economical status of the country develops people turn away from religion, turning more to scientific answers to their problems rather than spiritual ones.

And recently i have been receiving the “They have Earth, we will have heaven” statement justifying our failure on Earth, In my opinion, due to long eras of ignorance and economical suppression people got attached to religious rituals the spiritual side of religion and derailed from the core of religion the cognitive side,

People got more and more attached to religious clothing, certain verses to repeat again and again, same stories to tell over and over, religious gatherings etc and failed to apply nor reach its goal of leading a better life.

Before jumping to accusations, one of the main points that always supports my opinion is that all religions call for peace and forbid the taking of a human soul, however more people have been killed and discriminated against in the name of religion more than for any other reason.

And what’s really bothering is that in the fight for the return of their control over the masses men of religion use the current state of illiteracy and refer the increasing sexual harassment and criminal rates to the falling back of religion in the society, and turn people away from the true reason which is the suppression caused by the falling back of economical conditions, however when people’s economical conditions improve they turn away from religion as they see their problems getting fixed with no religious obligations!!

“Muhammad Abduh argued that Muslims could not simply rely on the interpretations of texts provided by medieval clerics, they needed to use reason to keep up with changing times. He said that in Islam man was not created to be led by a bridle, man was given intelligence so that he could be guided by knowledge. According to Abduh, a teacher’s role was to direct men towards study. He believed that Islam encouraged men to detach from the world of their ancestors and that Islam reproved the slavish imitation of tradition. He said that the two greatest possessions relating to religion that man was graced with were independence of will and independence of thought and opinion. It was with the help of these tools that he could attain happiness. He believed that the growth of western civilization in Europe was based on these two principles. He thought that Europeans were roused to act after a large number of them were able to exercise their choice and to seek out facts with their minds.” Wikipedia

However now it’s the responsibility of the men of religion to alter their inherited way of preaching, targeting the minds not the hearts of citizens, enriching the cognitive side and cooping with other secular logic and fact based sciences (Physics, bio, Math, economics etc) and turn away from the fight of regaining their control over the masses or else they will be held solely responsible of the increasing rate of Atheism.

“I went to the West and saw Islam, but no Muslims; I got back to the East and saw Muslims, but not Islam” Mohammed Abduh

 

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6 Responses to “They have Earth, we will have heaven !!”
  1. Meligy Man says:

    tb why not to give islam aside, away of your article? why are u accusing religion (islam) of what we have been through? Is it about religion? i really dnt think so. During first Islamic era, seeds have been sprouted for every single contemporary science that are called secular sciences. I remember that the first motive for Abas Ibn Fernas to fly is a verse from Quran ‘يا ايها الذين آمنوا أن أن أستطعتوا أن تنفذوا من أقطار السموات والأرض فأنفذوا لا تنفذون الا بسلطان صدق الله

    Another point is asking religious ppl to refrain from targeting ppls hearts, we belong to our religions by nature by our hearts it has nothing to do with manipulation what we should seek instead is moderate islamic streams.

    Islam is the religion that argues ppl to work hardly to be honest to help others and looots of original qualities that every nation is seeking to develop and it’s the same religion that made it clear that “إن الله يقيم الأمة العادلة ولو كانت كافرة ولا يقيم الأمة الظالمة ولو كانت مسلمة”

    Conclusion, what we have been through has nothing to do with religion (islam); it’s rather about ppl who lost the essence of it.

    • elzughby says:

      MAN, u lost the essesnce of the post !!!!!!!!!! where the hell in the post have i accused religion of any thing !!!!!
      And in the end of ur comment you state what i exactly was saying in the post !!!! that its the people’s problem !!

      And as for Spirtual side Vs cognitive sides, i stated exactly why should men of religion, target people’s minds, because as people get more educated, minds work, logic and facts prevail, and that’s What has happened all over the world it’s not an assumption even in more developed Arab countries!!

      Sorry man but your comment is irrelevant to the post

  2. Meligy Man says:

    Ok, you may find my reply is quite generic cuz we had long talks and i know how do u think and tackle such matters but i will correlate my previous reply to wat u wrote by two things

    Firstly, I’m copying below a text that u wrote above in your thing.

    “Psychology Today’s article Why Atheism is growing faster that religion, as the economical status of the country develops people turn away from religion, turning more to scientific answers to their problems rather than spiritual ones.”

    Considering the religion as a big obstacle that refrains communities from growing is big mistake which is the message that u r obviously want to communicate “read my previous reply again”

    Secondly, another text

    “however when people’s economical conditions improve they turn away from religion as they see their problems getting fixed with no religious obligations!!”

    I needed from my example i’ve given in my first comment that success shouldn’t be accompanying with releasing from religious obligations. Scientists have been able to make all that success while sticking firmly to their religions, firmly huh!!

    • elzughby says:

      u r insisting ba2a

      Ok read my sentence again, when economical status of the country develops (1) people turn away from religion (2), the cause of people turning away from religion is their economical conditions improving not the other way around !! that’s the study

      Second point, quoting u “success shouldn’t be accompanying with releasing from religious obligations” who the hell said SOOO!!!! i’m saying that when u link religion to their problems, then they find their problems being sorted out economicaly without them changing their religious behaviour, they turn away from religion as due to my promary assumption they are more linked to rituals rather than core ! get it?
      meleegy im debating that people should be linked to core not rituals, cognitive side more than the spritual side !!

  3. Boss ya Sedy.. as u know ana abyaaad fel 7agat dee bass here is wat’ i think:
    i agree with what u said in all the article but i don’t agree with u saying “I don’t believe that religion gives individuals or other matters privileges above others” as sure it does but in a way we did not follow in wide scope.

    • elzughby says:

      joe, i was going here for individual priv. On earth like who is better than who .. a gate for discrimination many use, however people need to work to earn ,their priv on earth , and being just religious like sticking to rituals without actual working which is a religious core will def make u loose earth !

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